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Re: Ancient genome oracle for admix K36- post your results!

Post by CatHokage24 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:45 pm

Though I've posted results in other forums earlier this year, I'm quite unfamiliar with this. I honestly don't quite understand how the oracle works.

My results seem to differ with each test. My raw data is from Ancestry DNA. Should I anticipate different results if I had testing with a different company and uploaded my genome here? Insight is greatly appreciated!

Here are my results.

I am a Black American.


Population
Percentage
Amerindian
0.30%
Arabian
0.31%
Armenian
0.00%
Basque
0.68%
Central African
0.00%
Central Euro
0.00%
East African
6.59%
East Asian
0.00%
East Balkan
0.09%
East Central Asian
0.00%
East Central Euro
0.80%
East Med
0.00%
Eastern Euro
1.77%
Fennoscandian
0.00%
French
0.47%
Iberian
2.35%
Indo-Chinese
0.00%
Italian
0.00%
Malayan
0.00%
Near Eastern
0.00%
North African
0.00%
North Atlantic
4.22%
North Caucasian
0.41%
North Sea
3.94%
Northeast African
0.00%
Oceanian
1.39%
Omotic
0.83%
Pygmy
4.01%
Siberian
0.00%
South Asian
0.00%
South Central Asian
1.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Volga-Ural
0.00%
West African
70.87%
West Caucasian
0.00%
West Med
0.00%

Closest population distances
Population
Distance
I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
1.314843
ela001_South_Africa_400BP
1.715628
cha001_South_Africa_500BP
1.716769
I0595_Kenya_400BP
7.069271
MA2196_Ottoman_14001600
7.383436
Gepid_Vim2
7.472161
EMA_Alpine_STR_328
7.523872
EMA_Alpine_STR_310
7.536939


Population
Value
I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
86.8
ela001_South_Africa_400BP
6.6
cha001_South_Africa_500BP
3.4
BA_Hungary_BR1
0.2
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_204
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1277
0.2
CHL_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE240
0.2
CHL_Yamnaya_Samara_I0438
0.2
DA224_Kazakhstan_250400AD
0.2
EMA_Czech_RISE569
0.2
IA_Altai_RISE602
0.2
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
0.2
IA_Sarmatian_PR3_I0575__Pokrovka
0.2
SZ3_Longobard
0.2
SZ5_Pannonian
0.2

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Re: Ancient genome oracle for admix K36- post your results!

Post by deedbn » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:28 am

Hello, I've been DNA testing for quite a while and come to expect results to be pretty broad.
The K36 tests and oracle have similarly been an interest so when i saw them on yourDNAportal (and 'mytrueancestry' i thought i would give the free 'taster' a shot.

I was surprised to see Longobard turn up repeatedly among the closest matches in addition to 'Baiuvarii Germanic' samples. In fact these appear to make up the majority of my 'close' matches

Population Distance
SZ23_Longobard 0.8144188
CL84_Longobard 0.8485823
SZ22_Longobard 0.8577844
SZ11_Longobard 0.9771878
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480 1.0370029
EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon 1.0526172
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220 1.0635055
SZ38_Longobard 1.0978042

With a similar 'top 10' in terms of population percentage;

Population Value
CL84_Longobard 25.6
SZ23_Longobard 19.8
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119 8.6
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220 6.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2 5.4
SZ3_Longobard 5.4
SZ22_Longobard 4.6
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480 4.2
CL83_Celto-Longobard 2.6
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355 1.8


This is of particular interest as my yDNA branch is R-L2 which is widely given as an Italo-celtic group (attached map from LivingDNA, Z51) and there are broad similarities between the distribution and accounts of Longobard migration.

I guess my rambling questions are;

The matches above, are the GD's even significant or is it the case that the margins are so find with these ancient samples that nothing much can really be inferred? Surely my autosomal dna should represent the distribution of my more recent ancestors so how can the matching be so (apparently) discrete (or am i misunderstanding how this works??
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Re: Ancient genome oracle for admix K36- post your results!

Post by Jeep » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:54 am

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Well, this shows a clearly overwhelming Celtic origin for myself. I already knew, but it's good to have clarity.
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Re: Ancient genome oracle for admix K36- post your results!

Post by Arcadiaville » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:50 pm

Jeep wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:54 am
Well, this shows a clearly overwhelming Celtic origin for myself. I already knew, but it's good to have clarity.
I have no scientific genetic training, but what if the sample is higher quality / more in-tact and hence a higher match? And what is the ethnic origin of the IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18 sample? I searched online and did not find a specific reference. York, England would be site of ancient Britons and Danelaw area, I would assume. If this is your top match plus 3rd & 5th closest matches, how can you be "certain" of the ethnicity? Is "Beaker" synonymous with "Celtic? or possibly pre-Celtic?

I would add further than I get different Iberian results on this calculator with different commercial DNA kits which seems to influence the ethnic character of my results between "Celtic"-sounding vs. Germanic-sounding. I place "Celtic" in quotes due to common current theory that Celts were a loose amalgamation of linguistic rather than unified genetic tribes (however, I personally have no issue with folks believing themselves to be a united ethic Celtic group. I go to many Highlands games :) ).

Additionally, Lukasz Macuga, the Oracle creator of Eurogene's admixture calculator, and another Polish member "Tomenable" have disclosed in online forums their method of searching Gedmatch kits to use in their calculators and tests. They both comment on "The Apricity" forum whereby a lot of members seem to be joking or trolling, with fake ethnic results in their avatars for LOL, e.g. White Europeans posting pictures of Africans or v/v). I cannot discern from Lukasz Macuga's website or comments on this portal what his scientific background is. I would like for them to explain how they validate the ancestry / ethnicity of these kits that they use in tests for sale. I had a relative score nearly 50% Scandinavian on a FTDNA test a few years ago. About a year later, his score was 0% as all of the Scandinavian moved to British and E. Euro populations. If a major commercial co. like FTDNA can publish such vacillating "deep" ancestry results, I would keep an open mind with any amateur tools.
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